<?xml version="1.0"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en">
	<id>https://wikideal.net/w/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=Talk%3AGov%2Fen%2FPortal%3AR%26D%2FInnovations%3AStructured_Data</id>
	<title>Talk:Gov/en/Portal:R&amp;D/Innovations:Structured Data - Revision history</title>
	<link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="https://wikideal.net/w/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=Talk%3AGov%2Fen%2FPortal%3AR%26D%2FInnovations%3AStructured_Data"/>
	<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wikideal.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gov/en/Portal:R%26D/Innovations:Structured_Data&amp;action=history"/>
	<updated>2026-07-02T07:32:23Z</updated>
	<subtitle>Revision history for this page on the wiki</subtitle>
	<generator>MediaWiki 1.43.0</generator>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wikideal.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gov/en/Portal:R%26D/Innovations:Structured_Data&amp;diff=1309&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Ricardo: Created page with &quot;Why is Tim Berners-Lee relevant? What did he say that makes him deserve a mention?  Random &quot;aims at&quot;, &quot;intends to&quot;, &quot;guided by&quot; are made bold for no reason throughout the entire article.  Almost all the sources in this article are Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia is a collection of sources but not a legitimate source for most things by itself.  &lt;blockquote&gt;Why it matters&lt;/blockquote&gt; Very strong AI smell. &quot;Why it matters&quot; should also be at the bottom. First introduce what t...&quot;</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wikideal.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gov/en/Portal:R%26D/Innovations:Structured_Data&amp;diff=1309&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2026-06-20T15:37:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Why is Tim Berners-Lee relevant? What did he say that makes him deserve a mention?  Random &amp;quot;aims at&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;intends to&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;guided by&amp;quot; are made bold for no reason throughout the entire article.  Almost all the sources in this article are Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia is a collection of sources but not a legitimate source for most things by itself.  &amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;Why it matters&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt; Very strong AI smell. &amp;quot;Why it matters&amp;quot; should also be at the bottom. First introduce what t...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Why is Tim Berners-Lee relevant? What did he say that makes him deserve a mention?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Random &amp;quot;aims at&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;intends to&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;guided by&amp;quot; are made bold for no reason throughout the entire article.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Almost all the sources in this article are Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia is a collection of sources but not a legitimate source for most things by itself.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;Why it matters&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Very strong AI smell. &amp;quot;Why it matters&amp;quot; should also be at the bottom. First introduce what this is even about.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What questions is the R&amp;amp;D project supposed to solve? You need a problem analysis and problems to solve first. You can not present a hypothesis without that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What is a Ring of Trust? Not clear at all.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The difference between private data and published data can be explained much more simple.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;expressing them as RDF, JSON-LD, and Wikidata-linked resources, in the spirit of Linked Data and the Semantic Web&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
List of random technical stuff, meaningless.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;Governance of all this is intended to be decided in a participative context, not dictated from above.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;X is Y, not Z&amp;quot;, strong AI smell.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;WikiDeal intends to publish anonymized aggregate statistics&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
We can not do this if user&amp;#039;s private is already not stored. How can we anonymize data and publish it and if it doens&amp;#039;t exist in the first place by design? Either we can read the user&amp;#039;s data (which we shouldn&amp;#039;t), or we can not, and then it doesn&amp;#039;t need to be anonymized.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;As an initial hypothesis, a babysitting agreement signed by both parties would live on the devices of the family and the babysitter, while the platform Infrastructure would hold only a cryptographic proof that the agreement was signed&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
When did we put cryptography into this? Nothing else suggest cryptography. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also why we need to know the agreement was signed? That goes against local-first. &amp;quot;Only the minimum necessary information&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;this is a starting point, not a settled stance.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;X is Y, not Z&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;Holochain (Wikipedia), an agent-centric peer-to-peer framework where each participant keeps their own validated data, with no global ledger. Note: Holochain is not blockchain-based; instead of one shared ledger maintained by global consensus, each agent holds its own hash chain and data is shared over a distributed hash table.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This entire description does not mean anything. A normal person will not know what any of this means. It uses vague technical terms and I don&amp;#039;t know what Holochain is and what problem it could solve for us either.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;IPFS (Wikipedia), content addressing, and, where genuinely useful, distributed ledgers.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I use IPFS personally for filesharing sometimes and this description does not do it justice. Same problem as holochain as well. What is a distributed ledger?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;This connects to&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
AI smell. Normal persona would have mentioned it earlier.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;How reputation could be presented while keeping the underlying ratings private is one of the open questions to be studied&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Finally something honest and a problem to solve.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Select disclosure section suddenly starts talking about funders, which have nothing to do with anything mention earlier. Very abrupt random mention.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;This research direction is intended to be developed in line with applicable data-protection and digital-identity law, not against it.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;X, not Y&amp;quot; AI smell. Completely pointless to mention &amp;quot;Not against it&amp;quot; that&amp;#039;s obviously from the first part of the sentence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Legal compliance mentions GDPR and eIDAS 2.0. I know those things exist, but it does not say how they are relevant or what we are going to do with them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;The following is an initial hypothesis, not a roadmap.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;X, not Y&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;The guiding idea is simple: protection is complete by default, and users could then choose, transaction by transaction, to share more in exchange for specific advantages, always under citizen supervision.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Just because you tell the AI not to use emdashes, doesn&amp;#039;t mean it will stop trying to create the same kind of unreadable sentences using other characters instead.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also what advantages can a user get by sharing data? Getting advantages for &amp;quot;sharing&amp;quot; your data is the sort of thing that proprietary companies do...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is still unclear what the point of this entire article is. Showing some random unrelated titbits of ideas of what we maybe eventually want to do? A concrete vision or goal is still very much missing here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Please do not copy my feedback into the AI and tell it to &amp;quot;fix it&amp;quot;. I think a human needs to write this down for you properly.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Ricardo</name></author>
	</entry>
</feed>